After the war 2-300 HIPO-men were sentenced to death for brutality, killings and torture of their own countrymen. The gun was converted to a German Police Luger during the Nazi era sometime between 1928, the year of manufacture, and 1934 by adding a sear safety and forward gripstrap Police marking, longitudinally stamped "S.M. Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline, MO 64658 USA.]. This Police holster definitely was used in two different locations or districts as indicated by the S. Hn. It is also unlikely that any of the cut-back artillery holsters will be located with police markings as per TBLAP VIII, C19 page 1267 where it states: Modified army pattern holsters, whether of short LP.08 pattern originally, were not subject to formal inspection and marking upon conversion to the police pattern. Sturgess collection, currently, as of this writing, being offered by a noted dealer for an equally extremely rare four-digit price. were issued to. German: German Mfg. Die neue Reichs= und die preusishe Bersassung haben bereits einige wichtige Orgnzungen ersahren: weitere Gestze sind in nachster Zeit zu erwarten. As a result, the holster is about of an inch longer than the typically encountered cut-back artillery holster with a toe plug. Included with the lot is a black leather flap holster (converted from Artillery to Police configuration, renumbered to match pistol, extensive hand . Post WW2 police manual, dated 1946, is titled The Police Pistols, Dresden, part of the Soviet Occupation Zone, identified of the cover as part of the State of Saxony. With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. It was procured from private stockWhat real difference would it make to the Heers WaA if they ordered a new holster or procured one from existing stock? ad[9]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Cash3.jpg'; information about where such materiel have been (e.g., which battles in Polizei-Direction or Knigliche Polizei-Richtung=Royal Police-Direction, Der Kgl. Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. The HZA stampings are described by Costanzo as being found on P.08 Lugers issued to security guards of military installations only, with no mention of the WaAJL16 being marked on P.08 style Police holsters. another cut-back Artillery to Police holster, An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size, of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. It is speculated that the shift was also motivated by the need to communicate with occupied territories during WW2 and the use of Fraktur would inhibit that communication. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 10 ----------------------------------------------------------. Magistrat und Polizeiverwaltung Stadt Reichenbach=Municipality and police administration City Reichenbach, Knigl. Captain Ernst Roehm, future head of the SA [Sturmabteilung, a.k.a. Regarding the completely intact magazine safety of 4559t, very few of these police Lugers survived as nearly all of these magazine safety assemblies were deactivated by cutting off the front end of the mechanism under a decree of May 1937. Furthermore, all books required for the use of the police schools in all areas of knowledge on the most favorable conditions are to be obtained from the assortment of the next edition. We received more rescued Lugers from Canada this week! of Stettin. - Kommando Wuertzburg, Kraftfahr-Sonderabteilung, Pictured is a 1941 dated OTTO SINDEL BERLIN police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1, The second being a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger 9754r that is forward gripstrap police marked lengthwise S. M. 1704. or (Prussia) Schutzpolizei Mnster 1074 - Protection Police, Mnster district 7. Simply a guard at a warehouse. Stay in the know. 1: 506: Discontinued use of markings. had 96 or 98 mm long barrels, and also only the 7.65 mm caliber. The Police Lugers: German Police Lugers and Their Markings 1918-1958 book is in very low demand now as the rank for the book is 5,705,216 at the moment. links[6]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; 4 days Left 18th Century Wooden Box with Brass Handle. Rock Island Auctions has over 100 Lugers at their upcoming Premier Auction in May including carbines and artillery models and rare pistols meant for Persian, American, and Russian markets. On many Police Bayonets there are not only stamped numbers, but there were also letters proceeding the numbers that identified the city from where the bayonet was used during the Weimar period. Bavarian State Police (Landespolizei), 1930. wooden box sliding cover lid, which Individual cases are put together and explained in a practical way using many examples. [2], The earliest dated new manufacture, second pattern regulation police holster is 1929. It was subject to the command of the local Reichswehr Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. The holster was dyed black as evidenced on the holster body back panel original brown color. Estimated price on these beauties run between $3,500-$25,000. This has all matching numbers except for the proper grips and concentric ring, wooden base . $1,000. Pictured is a Police Luger with chain and connected brush in barrel. German: Foreign Mfg. This assumes that the cut-back Artillery to Police holster and the modification of the cleaning rod/pouch/sleeve and cover flap were contemporaneous operations. Over all good condition. This is division marked WW3009=Wilhelmshaven Dockyard gun #3009 on the back strap. The chamber marking represent the military contract year of production and this example is a 1918 dated Luger. Im ubrigen hat aber das Bestreben vorgeherrscht, den Iert und Uusbau des Buches mglicht in seiner bisherigen Form zu warhen. There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. Vorfchrift fr die Waffen= und Schieausbildung der Ordnnungspistolen. If the width of the sight blade sliding base is too wide, it will bind in the muzzle protector collar slot. I figured out the other markings from earlier posts. Another NAZI era example being the Walther PP and PPK pistols pictured in Axis Pistols 1986 by J. To the best of our knowledge, all the examples shown are original pre-1945 manufacture. Army, Navy, Police. Regarding the S. H.133. Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. Since these cut back LP08 holsters, at least in the Weimar era, had no provision for a spare magazine, the police officer carries a twin magazine pouch on his belt. links[0]='http://www.GermanMilitaria.com'; 1920-1933: DWM Lugers. Other than the most notable features of the cut-back artillery holsters is the toe plug and the cleaning rod sleeve of these former artillery Luger holsters, none are the same, as there are other changes, such as method of carry, where Sturgess in TBLAP suggests, that with the lack of belt loops they were carried over the shoulder, somehow utilizing the rear attached leather stock block, although some examples have been modified to a single loop belt carry by rotating the Thanks to everyone who has added to this excellent and informative thread. Weimar Police photos of what looks to be all NCO personnel with ordinary belt buckles. is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18, see page 137 of Eugene Bender's "Luger Holsters & Accessories" for a similarly marked holster, RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris, This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers, Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters, a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster, two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle, an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp, a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp, Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. Police unit marked on the back is S.B.13.435 (Municipal Police, Berlin unit 13) as described by the seller. 1935 and 1936 are the only known manufacturing dates for the TP or Technische Polizeischule property marked holsters. That is not to say that the use of the converted LP.08 holsters were subsequently discontinued with the introduction of the new style police holsters, but could have been used into the early Pages 108 and 216 of Costanzo's World of Lugers Proof Marks "1930-1936 stamps placed on firearms designated to be used for training purposes. ad[8]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/JRBMbanner.jpg'; Even though the unidentified holster has been modified to fit a P.08, it is suggested by collectors that the Railway Protection Police mostly used non-Luger pistols. 3 days Left DWM MODEL 1914 ARTILLERY LUGER SEMI-AUTO PISTOL. Mfg Part Number. Otherwise, the magazine has no proof stamps or markings besides the serial number. Sturgess additionally describes the police cleaning rod in the Fig. Pictured for comparison are examples 1 and 2. No Longer Available. If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. Pictured is one such unique example. Einwohnerwehr in 1921. 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