He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Man, he was a big one. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! April 6, 2012 I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. eddiek - Now for the trade itself. $4.99 shipping. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. Rumor had it that a car left the tracks on one occasion and dropped out of site. Scrappy He started 45 games and completed 29. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Cut him some slack. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. senor ortiz Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Man, he was a big one. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. bob saunders The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. December 20, 2019 He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. That's pretty good this day in age. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." God bless him wherever he is and good luck! October 2, 2005 Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. That's more realistic but generous, I think! So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? Mickey Lolich Stats by Baseball Almanac. You can't be serious. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Baseball burnt him out. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. October 2, 2005 Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Collect, curate and comment on your files. Gary from Chesapeake I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. July 15, 2016 And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. NYB Buff I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! May 6, 2003 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Rusty played another decade. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. LA-Mets I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. He struck out the first two batters he faced, Max Alvis and Sam McDowell. - Now for the trade itself. Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Feat Fan That's more realistic but generous, I think! Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. So why did you try to destroy the guy? Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Bartolo Colon etc). Man, those pitches were big ones. June 11, 2003 I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. (thankfully returning in '81). Rusty played another decade. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. December 13, 2007 Shickhaus Franks April 30, 2009 How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. December 13, 2007 April 30, 2009 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. John Bruce Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. senor ortiz His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. November 12, 2006 October 18, 2008 Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. That would make him a star in today's market. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. May 25, 2001 ''I was embarrassed at the way people were looking at me,'' he said. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Lolich was a fine pitcher. To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. November 12, 2006 Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. September 12, 2002 In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. November 12, 2006 As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. July 15, 2016 He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. February 25, 2003 Mickey is originated from United States. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Bob Michael August 7, 2018 Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. June 11, 2003 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. We are going all the way!" Lolich was a fine pitcher. October 4, 2006 NYB Buff Ron from Tampa NO WAY he was 170 pounds. November 10, 2002 That would make him a star in today's market. February 28, 2003 Bartolo Colon etc). He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. bob saunders Peter to the Village of Leonard. March 18, 2001 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. April 27, 2013 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. December 13, 2007 I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! At Tiger Stadium, 45 miles south of here, Sparky Anderson's trim, young players shagged fly balls, hammered line drives and loosened their arms over the weekend in preparation for Tuesday's opening game in San Diego against the Padres. (thankfully returning in '81). However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Feat Fan Cut him some slack. eddiek Doug S. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. April 6, 2012 Lolich was a fine pitcher. He started 45 games and completed 29. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Ramblin' Pete Al Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. '', Neither did they stop in the Tigers clubhouse. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. May 9, 2002 The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. November 28, 2001 Mr. Sparkle That would make him a star in today's market. December 20, 2019 But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. By limiting the hired help to a waitress at the counter, one at the 24- hour drive-through window and a baker for the overnight shift, Lolich said he will be in a position to retire in six years, at 50. of money. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Cut him some slack. Joe Figliola Bartolo Colon etc). If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. bob saunders October 19, 2011 He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. He later resurfaced with the Padres. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. The first day of each season! Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. We are going all the way!" Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Bob P He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. August 7, 2018 Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! November 28, 2001 Everything from notable pioneers, celebrities, vintage ads, and much much more! What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. 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